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2013-04-05 17:48:03 (51 comments, 2 reshares, 238 +1s)

Project 52 B&W
Week 14: Transportation 
#P52BW13 | +Project 52 B&W 
Curated by +Tisha Craw , +David Bowden , & +Susan Porter

This week I decided to pan a moving object.  It's something I've always wanted to do but, never really got round to it.  It's harder than I thought, I must admit.

I hiked a bit, panning horses and trains - then ended up taking pictures of automobiles travelling over River Aire (Apperley Bridge).  The success rate was pathetic - I found it really hard to figure out if I was going too fast or too slow - and in some shots I accidentally moved the camera up and/or down as well.

I'm going to force myself on a hike tomorrow.  It did feel quite good to venture out with the camera again.

Hope you are all well guys; I hope to be back before too long :-)))

2013-03-29 20:55:20 (62 comments, 2 reshares, 263 +1s)

Project 52 B&W
Week 13: Look Up
#P52BW13 | +Project 52 B&W 
Curated by +Tisha Craw , +David Bowden , & +Susan Porter

When everything else fails, there's always the attic window :-)  I thought this would be a 10 - 15 minute job, but I had to wait almost two hours before a few birds came along.  I got 3-4 images that came out OK, this is the one I liked best.
Let it be known that the window has now been cleaned, and the frame will be painted after the weekend.  The rich (disgusting) textures in this shot were a bit of a wake up call :-)

Anyway - the mojo is still missing and I'm staying away from Google Plus until it returns, only taking shots for this particular project.  Rude, I know, but something I feel I need to do.

2013-03-23 09:54:53 (25 comments, 0 reshares, 103 +1s)

Project 52 B&W
Week 12: Uneven 
#P52BW13 | +Project 52 B&W 
Curated by +Tisha Craw , +David Bowden , & +Susan Porter

I'm a day late.... but since I've posted all other shots on time, I guess this would be "uneven" behaviour and, therefore, allowed under this specific theme?

My excuse is a fractured rib - breathing is painful enough, let alone lifting a camera up the the face!  Not that I'm complaining - Castro was neutered yesterday, so he's the one really suffering at the moment.

The shot was taken and processed yesterday... I was hoping I'd feel good enough to create something better today, but no such luck.  The image shows a few of the "so-called" 90 degree corners in my house. They may look even - but they are all very uneven (you'll just have to take my word for that!!).

Off to bednow.... more »

2013-03-17 21:38:14 (71 comments, 42 reshares, 291 +1s)

Fall prostrate here at Nature's stormy shrine,
And as the thunderous scene disturbs thy heart,
Lift thy changed eye, and own how low thou art.
(J. Wilson / Written on the Banks of Wastwater, During a Storm)

I'm a bit early with the Monochrome Monday submission - I've got an early start tomorrow and won't be home until Tuesday evening :-)









#monochromemonday  (+Monochrome Monday) Curated by +Hans Berendsen , +Jerry Johnson , +Steve Barge and guest-curators +Dominique Hilbert , +David Orr and +Martin Heller 
- - - - - - - - - - - 
#europeanphotography  +European Photo 
+Janusz Brakoniecki +Jean-Louis LAURENCE +Michael Muraz +Susanne Ramharter +Ela Kupiec  +Ugo Cei
- - - - - - - - - - - 
#landscapephotography  +Landscape Photography +Margaret Tompkins +Carra Riley+paul t... more »

2013-03-17 20:57:37 (27 comments, 0 reshares, 66 +1s)

Very much appreciated +Jarek Klimek - thank you so much!! Couldn't have happened at a better time :-)))  Congrats to the other photographers - check out their gorgeous shots people :-)

2013-03-15 22:28:30 (89 comments, 15 reshares, 328 +1s)

Project 52 B&W
Week 11: Old 
#P52BW13 | +Project 52 B&W 
Curated by +Tisha Craw , +David Bowden , & +Susan Porter

I've spent the day in the Lake District, trying to rekindle my interest in photography.  I've been on a bit of a downward spiral for the past few weeks - not really felt any enjoyment in taking, processing or looking at pictures.

Sacrilegious, isn't it? 

Luckily I found this gorgeous (in my view) tree on my travels, as I was all prepared to write a letter to the curators asking to be let off this week :-)

Hope you are all well and have a wonderful weekend!

2013-03-12 14:30:04 (47 comments, 4 reshares, 135 +1s)

It's been a while since I messed with my Bamboo Pen tablet, but I hope it doesn't show!! :-)  This is a partially painted, distorted and blurred forest scene ....with added texture.

+Texture Blend Photography  curated by  +Gemma Costa #TextureBlendPhotography / +Tree Tuesday  curated by  +Christina Lawrie +Shannon S. Myers #TreeTuesday

2013-03-11 20:10:04 (25 comments, 1 reshares, 130 +1s)

None Shall Pass (after you, that is....) - A little scene from the Royal Armouries, Leeds.  

Not sure if it's "street" when it's inside a museum, but the street in the background makes it legit (in my view) so it goes in that album ;-)

+Monochrome Monday  curated by  +Hans Berendsen +Jerry Johnson +Steve Barge +Dominique Hilbert +David Orr +Martin Heller #MonochromeMonday / +StreetPhotography curated by  +Tatiana Parmeeva +Maria Roco #streetphotography / #yorkshireuk  

2013-03-11 13:19:53 (25 comments, 4 reshares, 128 +1s)

Reign of Fulfillment

A brief period, although not brief enough, of completeness.  

Today, I can't decide if my toes feel colder than my fingers.  I am, however, leaning towards the toes.

+#MetallicMonday  curated by  +Thomas Raschbacher #MetallicMonday / +Mirrors and Reflections  curated by  +Gemma Costa +Elizabeth Edwards #MirrorMonday / +Leading Lines Monday  curated by  +Pam Boling +Michael B. Stuart +Elle Rogers +David Murphy +Simos Xenakis +Andreas Levi #leadinglinesmonday / #yorkshireuk  

2013-03-10 21:24:40 (27 comments, 2 reshares, 168 +1s)

Two Hundred Steps to Tea

Taken at last light this evening, near Ilkley Tarn, whilst out walking the dog and the teenager.














+Sun Sunday  curated by  +Shauna Dominguez +Greg Dominguez #SunSunday / +The Society Of Light  curated by  +Jeremy Spierer #TheSocietyOfLight / #yorkshireuk  / #EuropeanPhotography  +European Photo 
+Janusz Brakoniecki +Jean-Louis LAURENCE +Michael Muraz +Susanne Ramharter +Ela Kupiec  +Ugo Cei

2013-03-10 12:05:07 (12 comments, 3 reshares, 65 +1s)

A carefully molded being, was placed in every box.  All injected with hope, a dream (perhaps) and an uncontrollable urge to buy new furniture.  Remember to fear HIV, Nuclear Weapons and Cellulite Skin.  Most importantly: the Fat Cats will leave, if we limit their earnings.  Where would that leave us, you.... you.... you ignoramus?

Let the bowel-movements of your mind, rid you of all rebellious thoughts.  Crawl back into the box.  Seal it; stamp it.  

Guaranteed Next Life Delivery (if you behave obey).

No tracking number to be found, though.

+My City Sunday  curated by  +Carra Riley +Sally Weatherley #mycitysunday  / #yorkshireuk  

2013-03-09 20:37:37 (26 comments, 3 reshares, 131 +1s)

March of the Technophiles

It may be a distant dream; it may never happen.

But one of these days, I hope to capture two of these creatures, actually talking to each other.

+Street Life Saturdays curated by  +Dave Ortiz / #yorkshireuk  / #peopleidontknow  /  #streetphotography +StreetPhotography curated by +Tatiana Parmeeva +Maria Roco

2013-03-08 19:25:47 (48 comments, 1 reshares, 168 +1s)

Project 52 B&W
Week 10: Reflecting 
#P52BW13 | +Project 52 B&W 
Curated by +Tisha Craw , +David Bowden , & +Susan Porter

I've spent more time shooting for this theme than all the other ones combined.  I've moved furniture around in most of the rooms in the house, I went for a walk with a huge mirror and I've curled up in the sofa a few times in complete despair :-)
In the end, I went for simplicity.  Kitchen table, a black sheet, a bit of Plexiglas, a work-light, a teacup and a brilliant actor (even if I say so myself).  

2013-03-08 11:30:51 (35 comments, 2 reshares, 89 +1s)

Castro Klein

I've created a new album, just for the "model" shots featuring Castro :-)  I think the theme is pretty obvious.... get Castro to sit in various places and take a picture.  I feel it might be quite interesting as the album grows.

The ultimate goal is - obviously - to teach Castro how to pose properly in genuine Calvin Klein underwear :-)))

+Fido Friday curated by  +mel peifer +Lisa Lisa +Wes Lum +Suhaib Ayaz #FidoFriday

2013-03-08 10:57:23 (17 comments, 3 reshares, 74 +1s)

Buster

Buster and his owner, near Forster Square Railway Station.  His owner (we never really got round to exchanging names) is a lovely young man, who wrote down some instructions for me to get to a certain derelict area in Bradford.  I've not been yet (waiting to have the car MOT'd), but judging from his description it's probably quite good.
If I get some decent shots, I just might bring Buster a big bone, next time I pass :-)

#peopleidontknow   #streetphotography   #yorkshireuk   #filmphotography   #k1000  

2013-03-07 17:55:41 (19 comments, 1 reshares, 73 +1s)

Bewildered

I went to Bradford today and took a few street shots, using the K-1000.  Apart from the time it took to focus manually, I really liked using a film camera.  Perhaps because I knew I'd not be able to show any pictures on request :-)

One other downside..... when you take your film to Bradford Camera Exchange to be developed (as I had to do, due to not having C-41 liquids at home), you have to walk past their gorgeous display of vintage cameras and lenses - craving for every single item :-)

#peopleidontknow   #streetphotography  +StreetPhotography  #yorkshireuk   #filmphotography   #k1000   #kodacolor  

2013-03-06 23:40:47 (64 comments, 1 reshares, 87 +1s)

Pickup Truck Needed (aka Jesus has left the building)

Yup.... today I got fed up with the long hair and had it (non-surgically) removed.  I have also removed the beard, but decided to have a bit of fun with it in the process :-))

(no offence meant to pickup drivers.... I just connect this type of beard with pickups.  Wrongly, no doubt).

Good night G+ People :-)

2013-03-06 22:57:42 (24 comments, 2 reshares, 76 +1s)

A little flower-texture-blur mix for one of the most wonderful flowers in my circles.  Happy Birthday, lovely +Louisa Catharine Forsyth :-)

Also - a very Happy Birthday to +John G Moore - not sure he'd appreciate me calling him a wonderful flower, so I won't (but he is :-)))

One question for UK users of Google Plus.  Do you see birthday announcements on google.co.uk?  I don't - and the only way to see them, is to do a "search with image" on Google - which brings me to the .com site.  There, I can see the announcements.  Anyone (in the UK) having that problem?

2013-03-05 13:05:56 (18 comments, 4 reshares, 85 +1s)

Son of Typhon

Castro practicing for the leading role in a Hollywood Blockbuster that my never be filmed.

2013-03-05 12:21:31 (20 comments, 2 reshares, 78 +1s)

Fallen

I'm really getting the hang of creating titles!!

:-)

We (Castro and I) came across this tree in one of our local woods.  He studied the ground whilst I took a few pictures.  This is one of them.

Good night, G+ - I'm off to bed.

Just made it for:

#MonochromeMonday (+Monochrome Monday) Curated by +Hans Berendsen , +Jerry Johnson , +Steve Barge and guest-curators +Dominique Hilbert , +David Orr and +Martin Heller 

2013-03-04 14:20:34 (0 comments, 7 reshares, 81 +1s)

Last night

2013-03-03 23:40:50 (43 comments, 1 reshares, 93 +1s)

My Name is Mud

Here's one of many selfies I took on Friday - whilst shooting for the "hands" theme (Project 52 B&W).  I stocked up on facial mud recently, but sadly I'm not perfectly happy with the product.  In previous "mud sessions" I've used mud which turns grey when it dries - and breaks into wrinkles beautifully.  It adds years to the skin, in a realistic way.  
The mud I used on Friday is for women (not sure if that matters).  It turns light blue and has a softer texture, which I don't like as much.

The computers?  

Done.  Dusted.  All working as supposed to and the Kindle Fire HD has been rooted..... and now works beautifully with Google Plus installed!  Now to wait for a good ROM to change it completely into a proper Android device. 

My Name is Mud - Project 306 / 44 

Primus -My Name Is... more »

2013-03-03 17:03:29 (20 comments, 3 reshares, 88 +1s)

Again I apologize for my lack of interaction lately.  I've sorted out the computers, but I got completely stuck whilst trying to root a Kindle Fire HD (a tablet I do not recommend to anyone who uses Google Plus).

This shot is from a short walk we took yesterday - the sun has started shining, flowers have started to emerge from the ground and new life is appearing on branches.  Good times.
It looks like I'm stuck in the 16:9 crop, but that is not on purpose :-)

Finally - a huge thumbs up for +G+ Photo Pages Directory for the changes made on their page ( http://www.gplusphotopages.com/theme_pages.php ).  Being able to copy paste the code of pages and curators, makes things quite a lot easier :-)

+Zen Sunday curated by  +Charlotte Therese Björnström +Nathan Wirth +Simon Davis-Oakley #ZenSunday / 
+Daily Depth Of Field curated by +Vince O... more »

2013-03-01 17:38:40 (49 comments, 4 reshares, 159 +1s)

Project 52 B&W
Week 9: Hands
#P52BW13 | +Project 52 B&W 
Curated by +Tisha Craw , +Gene Bowker , +David Bowden

An unusually hard subject this week, which left me desperately running round in circles, looking for a way to shoot hands in a brilliant, fresh and innovative way.
In the end I gave up and shot them from an angle which has been used 1.374.382 times before.

However, I did apply some facial mud to my hands, to draw out the lines and create new ones (I promise)..... which takes the total "done before shots" down to 126.335, I believe. 

:-)

2013-03-01 11:49:55 (3 comments, 2 reshares, 28 +1s)

...end of the road...

Yesterday I took my dads Zeiss Ikon Colora out for a spin - just curious to see if it still works.  The camera (picture in the link below) is quite old and battered - and worked about as good as it looks.  The film advanced very sluggishly, resulting in quite a few way-too-bright double exposures.  The focus also seems way off the mark, but that may well be down to my limited abilities.

I liked one shot (after a bit of processing), so I'm posting that.  It´s the last one from that camera - it will stay on the shelf from now on ;-)

Now... I really need to get some ideas for the B&W 52 project - as shots are due in today!!!

https://plus.google.com/photos/118340132086483099005/albums/5829683846164197857/5837445873095198818

2013-02-27 23:27:16 (29 comments, 4 reshares, 121 +1s)

Act As If You Belong / It feels like a long time since I took my DSLR outside - the film camera has had all the attention.  The results have not done much for my confidence, but I will persist until I succeed (or "accidentally" drop the K-1000 down the cellar stairs).

I took this shot earlier today - but I did not venture far.  In fact, I had my feet in the living room whilst shooting.  It's SOOC, apart from minor sharpening and the 16:9 crop.

In other news..... I've formatted and set up the computers in the house (2 x dual boot with Win7 and Linux Mint - and one regular Windows 7 setup for the missus).  Hence the lack of interaction - and to be honest, that's how it will be this evening.  I'm fed up with computers for now.

Tomorrow I'll finish setting up the photo-software - after which I'm seriously thinking aboutdedi... more »

2013-02-25 11:14:14 (25 comments, 4 reshares, 106 +1s)

Dregs of The Day / A shot taken in the shower room of the Caphouse Colliery Coal Mine, now defunct and turned into a museum.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coal_Mining_Museum_for_England

#MonochromeMonday (+Monochrome Monday) Curated by +Hans Berendsen , +Jerry Johnson , +Steve Barge and guest-curators +Dominique Hilbert , +David Orr and +Martin Heller / #yorkshireuk  / #dailydepthoffield  +Vince Ong +f.a. fiebig +Nuraini Ghaifullah +Virgil Cowen 

2013-02-24 21:08:34 (23 comments, 4 reshares, 93 +1s)

Metamorphosis? 

ORIGINAL SHOT BY +Csaba Mocsonoky 

Whilst looking at a gorgeous bumble-bee shot by +Csaba Mocsonoky (see link to original image below), I noticed that one of the flowers looked quite like a bird, getting ready to spread it's wings.

So - naturally I wrote to Csaba and asked if he would be OK with me processing the image in a way that would put the focus on the bird.  Csaba, a perfectly wonderful dude, allowed this and sent me the original RAW file.

Now.... I know Csaba (being quite the Photoshop Expert) would have done a much better job himself - but I've done my best and here's what I came up with.

Isn't nature amazing!? ;-)

Link to original: https://plus.google.com/u/0/105631278777534807442/posts/ccjMv5Xg1jN

2013-02-24 15:38:36 (5 comments, 2 reshares, 35 +1s)

Cause I'm Leaving...

A little scene from the Pennines - the quality may be questionable, but I rather like the mood ;-)  

I'm still suffering a bit from not having a scanner - but   thanks to +Wilhelm Person's tip, I've got rid of the "Newton's Rings" by skipping the glass which flattened the film whilst I took a picture of the negative.  I now use cello-tape to stretch it out and keep it in place ;-)))

Pentax K-1000 / Super Takumar 135mm / Ilford HP 400 / Developed in Ilford Developer

2013-02-23 19:01:47 (17 comments, 3 reshares, 78 +1s)

I've finally "invested" in a new (to me) phone.  I went for the Nokia N8, solely due to the Carl Zeiss optics and 12mp sensor.  

Considering that it was getting a bit dark, I'm quite impressed with the first test shots.  It obviously isn't close to the quality of my DSLR, but good enough to take shots when I've not got the big one with me.

And it's got a SAT-NAV thing, so I can continue my "get lost" missions without fear of ending up in another country ;-))

#phoneography   #nokian8  

2013-02-22 17:45:53 (63 comments, 1 reshares, 201 +1s)

Project 52 B&W
Week 8: Isolation
#P52BW13 | +Project 52 B&W 
Curated by +Tisha Craw , +Gene Bowker , +David Bowden

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. 
― Desmond Tutu

2013-02-20 22:46:36 (33 comments, 4 reshares, 135 +1s)

A road in Yorkshire Dales.

Not sure what the hill is called.

Good night, G+ people ;-)

#waywednesday  +Peter Carroll +Rob Tilley

2013-02-20 12:58:34 (34 comments, 1 reshares, 66 +1s)

A man in Bradford .....an ever so slightly processed image.

Taken using the "from the hip" method.  Now I've tried it - and I don't like it.

#peopleidontknow  

2013-02-20 11:16:15 (65 comments, 1 reshares, 80 +1s)

Google Rule #327

When doing a selfie, try to include a little bit of your tattoo(s). This is very sexy, and people will love you.

#justforfun  

2013-02-19 22:10:10 (12 comments, 0 reshares, 42 +1s)

A quick Viv in the attic window.

One day I will clean and paint it..... ;-)

2013-02-19 18:04:07 (9 comments, 1 reshares, 41 +1s)

Just got my first C-41 B&W film developed and scanned to a CD.  The shots were all completely flat - without even a hint of contrast... so a few adjustments were needed.

Pentax K-1000 (can't remember which lens I was using)

2013-02-19 12:19:08 (39 comments, 3 reshares, 121 +1s)

World Domination or Death

I really need to get a good book about British Flora - I've got no idea what these are.

(The title is taken from the manifesto of the Bad Taste record label)

Below is a video of one of my all time favourite songs by Ham - one of the bands signed by the aforementioned label.  Now, if this doesn't make you rip off all some of your clothes and dance like a maniac....... ;-))

Ham Musculus

#textureblendtuesday  +Gemma Costa +Texture Blend Photography 

2013-02-18 10:10:08 (34 comments, 1 reshares, 140 +1s)

Imperial Petrol

An old petrol station, somewhere in Yorkshire Dales.  It sold petrol by the gallon ......so a few decades may have passed since it's heyday?  Born and bred Brits could probably confirm (or dispute) that presumption.

I'm off to [company] to get a bulb for my headlight.  I'll be driving home late from work and I've already got a warning from the police to have it fixed.

Have an excellent Monday ;-)

#monochromemonday  +Jerry Johnson +Steve Barge +Hans Berendsen / #yorkshireuk  / +European Photo  #europeanphoto  

2013-02-18 01:05:57 (31 comments, 2 reshares, 130 +1s)

Eggborough Power Station - the colour version.

#yorkshireuk  

2013-02-17 14:10:47 (14 comments, 1 reshares, 94 +1s)

A plant of some type, in freshly fallen snow.  Taken, half-heartedly, a few weeks back - and I do regret not spending more time shooting this thing.

#zensunday  +Zen Sunday +Charlotte Therese Björnström +Nathan Wirth +Simon Davis-Oakley 

2013-02-16 14:08:17 (29 comments, 1 reshares, 94 +1s)

Pimple

A lonely looking shed, somewhere in the Yorkshire Dales. 

Sorry about the lack of response to previous posts - I've been conned into going swimming.... after which I'll have some computer time.  

2013-02-16 00:06:34 (19 comments, 2 reshares, 70 +1s)

#booksaturday +Book Lovers 

2013-02-15 23:51:47 (13 comments, 0 reshares, 49 +1s)

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2013-02-15 21:41:45 (65 comments, 0 reshares, 10 +1s)

OK - a quick question.

A person posts publicly - I can plus the post, but not comment on it.  The person does not have me in her circle - but why can I not comment on a public post??  Blocked?

2013-02-15 20:58:55 (43 comments, 3 reshares, 66 +1s)

A couple of out-takes from earlier today - whilst I was frantically trying to shoot something abstract !

These did not work at all as abstracts - but when Athena said: "Dad - you get some really strange ideas - but I think it's awesome" - it was all worth it ;-)))

2013-02-15 18:37:20 (31 comments, 0 reshares, 102 +1s)

Project 52 B&W
Week 7: Abstract 
#P52BW13 | +Project 52 B&W 
Curated by +Tisha Craw , +Gene Bowker , +David Bowden

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After frantically shooting various weirdness for the last couple of hours, I've come back to the image I had decided on earlier this week.  Irritating.... but a very good learning process.

This is a dead tree, shot on a 35mm film camera (Pentax K-1000), and some clothing pegs, shot on a digital camera (Pentax K-5).  Old and new.

The title has no connection - whatsoever - with Valentine's Day.

2013-02-14 11:42:45 (37 comments, 3 reshares, 146 +1s)

A lighthouse in Whitby, Yorkshire.

I'm off to work now; I'll be back here tomorrow afternoon, so until then - have a wonderful day ;-)

#lighthousethursday  +Heiko Köster / #yorkshireuk  / #monochrome  / #europeanphotography  +European Photo  #europeanphoto  

2013-02-14 10:48:17 (23 comments, 0 reshares, 82 +1s)

Get a room!!!

Yes, it's that day again!  ;-)

A 13 second exposure - re-processed shot from last year.

2013-02-14 00:25:16 (13 comments, 0 reshares, 20 +1s)

One of the first "scans" from my home made light-box.  Taking shots of the shots.... and inverting them, is certainly very time consuming - and the lighting tends to be quite uneven.  I'm also getting "tree-rings" such as  can be seen in the corner of the window.

I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and buy a scanner, sooner or later!  Has anyone used a Canon LiDE 700F or a Epson Perfection V370?  I can't justify going over £100 - not yet, at least :-)

2013-02-13 14:50:19 (7 comments, 0 reshares, 3 +1s)

Just a check - I can't comment on any of the photos in this community.... what could I be doing wrong?